Did they write it in red ink and put a letter grade next to it? I guess
some folks don't get that this is a GAME!


> the very address to the store in
> the strip mall and the precise newspaper box under which the
> letterbox resides was clearly stated in the clues

Could this comment have been intended to be facetious???


> It made me want to rip out
> the page.

It's your logbook, so rip out the page if you don't want it there.
Unless the remark is written on the back of the page that has Buzzard's
very fine signature stamp, as you wouldn't want to remove that!

periwinkle

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "qvash2000" wrote:
> Yesterday I went to check on a letterbox of mine that is underneath a
> row of newsstands on a busy street in front of a strip mall. The box
> was alive and well, and, as expected after 2 months here in Southern
> California, there were only two entries in the logbook. The first was
> Buzzard, who frequently finds every new letterbox before anyone else.
> The second was someone who stamped in, wrote his or her name, and
> wrote "Bad directions" with a line underneath as if to emphasize this
> point. Now, forgetting for a moment that they are CLUES and not
> directions, and also forgetting that the very address to the store in
> the strip mall and the precise newspaper box under which the
> letterbox resides was clearly stated in the clues, and also
> forgetting that the stamp was a piece that I worked very hard on and
> actually came out pretty good... Why is it necessary to write
> something negative in the logbook that every future person visiting
> will see? I'm pretty new to letterboxing, but in the 61 boxes I've
> found, no one has ever written anything negative other than "It
> started raining!" or stuff like that... It made me want to rip out
> the page. I mean, do I really have to say the newstands are on the
> sidewalk by the road in front of the store, and not the sidewalk
> right in front of the store??? You can't just look and see that?
>
> Ok, just had to vent to people who might be able to relate. Thanks
> for listening. :) -Q




well i would say go ahead and rip out that page if you want....nothing says you cant....

all i can think of is the person may have gotten frustrated if there are numerous newstands they had to search under....but thats just part of the letterboxing game....HUNTING.....:)

so feel better.....take a deep breath...and hide more letterboxes!!!!!

wanda

I'm pretty new to letterboxing. I've only been doing it since the beginning
of July. I really never respond to stuff on here because I'm so new and I
didn't want to start posting until I had a good feel for the list. :)

So... as for the bad directions, I found a box yesterday. The clues did
contain a bad direction. They were good for the most part, but where the clue
indicated that I should go southeast, I actually needed to go northeast.
Everything else was fine. I was wondering if I should do anything about this, and
flipping through the book, I found that someone had written it in there
already. They didn't write it in a mean way at all... they just said, "This is
actually northeast from the landmark, but I found it anyway!"

There are definately better ways to say something if directions are
legitimately bad than, "BAD DIRECTIONS!" And you're right, they're clues. There is no
rule as to how vague/specific they have to be.

Sure, rip it out, if you feel that your clues were good. There's no rule
that says you can't!

--Chrissy

I guess some people just want to vent their frustrations for all to see? If the finder had a problem with the clues or directions (or whatever) I think the appropriate thing to do would be Email the placer. I came across a box a few days ago (a VERY nice one I might add... but that's MY opinion), and in reading the entries came across one that read " OK Box, clues too easy". There again, a personal opinion. I guess a little common courtesy is sometimes needed, or in the words of my late Grandma: "Always make your words sweet, because some day you might have to eat them". MayEve


wrote:
Yesterday I went to check on a letterbox of mine that is underneath a
row of newsstands on a busy street in front of a strip mall. The box
was alive and well, and, as expected after 2 months here in Southern
California, there were only two entries in the logbook. The first was
Buzzard, who frequently finds every new letterbox before anyone else.
The second was someone who stamped in, wrote his or her name, and
wrote "Bad directions" with a line underneath as if to emphasize this
point. Now, forgetting for a moment that they are CLUES and not
directions, and also forgetting that the very address to the store in
the strip mall and the precise newspaper box under which the
letterbox resides was clearly stated in the clues, and also
forgetting that the stamp was a piece that I worked very hard on and
actually came out pretty good... Why is it necessary to write
something negative in the logbook that every future person visiting
will see? I'm pretty new to letterboxing, but in the 61 boxes I've
found, no one has ever written anything negative other than "It
started raining!" or stuff like that... It made me want to rip out
the page. I mean, do I really have to say the newstands are on the
sidewalk by the road in front of the store, and not the sidewalk
right in front of the store??? You can't just look and see that?

Ok, just had to vent to people who might be able to relate. Thanks
for listening. :) -Q


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I found this funny, in a way. When I have difficulty finding a box I always
assume that it is because *I* am in error somehow...I am not counting
right, or reading my compass right, or interpreting the clues right.

I also figure that the person placing the box can writhe the clues as
specifically or as vaguely as s/he chooses.

You could try and track down the finder and ask for clarification, if it
really bothers you, or ask Buzzard for an opinion if you are concerned
about the veracity of the comment. Otherwise, I would roll my eyes and
ignore it.

And, even tho I am across the country from you, I thank you sincerely for
taking the time and effort to place a box.

Mama Stork
aka Pam in Cinci



> -----Original Message-----
> From: qvash2000 [mailto:puppygirl13@sbcglobal.net]
> Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 10:41 AM
> To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [LbNA] Bad directions? (a bit long & ranty)
>
>
> Yesterday I went to check on a letterbox of mine that is underneath a
> row of newsstands on a busy street in front of a strip mall. The box
> was alive and well, and, as expected after 2 months here in Southern
> California, there were only two entries in the logbook. The first was
> Buzzard, who frequently finds every new letterbox before anyone else.
> The second was someone who stamped in, wrote his or her name, and
> wrote "Bad directions" with a line underneath as if to emphasize this
> point. Now, forgetting for a moment that they are CLUES and not
> directions, and also forgetting that the very address to the store in
> the strip mall and the precise newspaper box under which the
> letterbox resides was clearly stated in the clues, and also
> forgetting that the stamp was a piece that I worked very hard on and
> actually came out pretty good... Why is it necessary to write
> something negative in the logbook that every future person visiting
> will see? I'm pretty new to letterboxing, but in the 61 boxes I've
> found, no one has ever written anything negative other than "It
> started raining!" or stuff like that... It made me want to rip out
> the page. I mean, do I really have to say the newstands are on the
> sidewalk by the road in front of the store, and not the sidewalk
> right in front of the store??? You can't just look and see that?
>
> Ok, just had to vent to people who might be able to relate. Thanks
> for listening. :) -Q
>
>
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I guess a little common courtesy is sometimes needed, or in the words
of my late Grandma: "Always make your words sweet, because some day
you might have to eat them". MayEve



Well put. I think it is also important to keep in mind that
the comments say more about the writer than they do about the
letterbox.
y-nought




>
>
> The second was someone who stamped in, wrote his or her name, and
> wrote "Bad directions" with a line underneath as if to emphasize
this
> point

Of course, a perverse thought emerged in my mind...DELIBERATELY bad
directions!

In one's clues, one could warn ahead of time..."WARNING: One clue is the
reverse of what it should be!" Instead of turning south, one has to turn north,
or something like that. Leave it to the hunter to figure out which clue is
false.

Of course, I don't know how I would feel about that if I was hunting a box,
or if I would be willing to do that myself. But it's an interesting idea.
Unless it's already been done.

BTW, I'm fairly new to letterboxing, just found my first box this week,
looking forward to more! I'm on the beginner's list as well.

Mike

Acquaintance, n. A person whom we know well enough to borrow from, but not
well enough to lend to. A degree of friendship called slight when its object is
poor or obscure, and intimate when he is rich or famous. (Ambrose Bierce, THE
DEVIL'S DICTIONARY)


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Awwww...just leave the page in so everyone else can see what a bonehead this person
is. It's your clue and it can be written any way you want it to be. Funhog


>It made me want to rip out the page.

We found a letterbox in which the two previous finders had written
their complaints about the clues. We were tempted to write "But you
FOUND it, didn't you?" Instead we wrote "The clues were great!"


--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, stenbock@a... wrote:
> Of course, a perverse thought emerged in my mind...DELIBERATELY bad
> directions!
>
> In one's clues, one could warn ahead of time..."WARNING: One clue
is the
> reverse of what it should be!" Instead of turning south, one has
to turn north,
> or something like that. Leave it to the hunter to figure out which
clue is
> false.
>
> Of course, I don't know how I would feel about that if I was
hunting a box,
> or if I would be willing to do that myself. But it's an
interesting idea.
> Unless it's already been done.
>
> BTW, I'm fairly new to letterboxing, just found my first box this
week,
> looking forward to more! I'm on the beginner's list as well.
>
> Mike
>
> Acquaintance, n. A person whom we know well enough to borrow from,
but not
> well enough to lend to. A degree of friendship called slight when
its object is
> poor or obscure, and intimate when he is rich or famous. (Ambrose
Bierce, THE
> DEVIL'S DICTIONARY)
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

This seems to be a hot topic, so thanks for bringing this up. I
am an outsider, really... in more ways than one. I love planting
boxes a billion times better than finding them... maybe that is
because the closest box (that isn't mine) is nearly an hour away.
So, I am not familiar with what "other people" do when they place a
box. I don't know what the common containers are, the common type
of stamp, the common type of log, the common place, the common
clues, etc. I follow my own "bliss" here and do what feels right.
I get great joy out of creating and planting boxes.

So, yes, I agree that it would be sooooo disturbing to find
someone "bashing" my box, or my clues, or my stamp, etc. But, then
again, I don't hide them for you people. :) I hide them because it
makes me happy. I try to remember that.

But, even though I don't hide them so much for "you", I still am
very concerned that I balance everything out to make the finder have
fun, too. I want it to be a "good one". I leave my contact
information in ample supply, front and back of log, and sometimes I
leave an envelope of tiny "contact info" papers for people to take.
I feel like this leaves the finder with a way to contact me if they
have an "opinion", or if there is a problem. And, I have had
someone do this. They e-mailed me when a clue was wrong and I
changed it quickly and fell all over myself with apologies.

My reason for continuing a "rant" of sorts is simple empathy.
And, that I feel it is up to you whether or not you remove the
page. But, if it was my box, I think I'd leave it in there as a
display of said boxer's selfishness. Most boxers would read that
and feel negative toward the writer, not the letterbox... as it
should be. Obviously this person has never created one of their own.

As for eating words, maybe today was their lunch. :) Thanks
again for the topic.

-Quiet Place

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, stenbock@a... wrote:
> Of course, I don't know how I would feel about that if I was
hunting a box,
> or if I would be willing to do that myself. But it's an
interesting idea.
> Unless it's already been done.


Yes, it has been done already and the clues were awesome!!! The
stamp was pretty good, too--especially for a first plant!

Read the clues to jessi's "Lying Man" Letterbox in Olympia, WA!

dvn2r ckr

> Of course, a perverse thought emerged in my mind...DELIBERATELY bad
> directions!

That's old news.... =) I happen to know of a couple of boxes where
EVERY direction is deliberately wrong. Awful clues. Simply
awful. ;o)

-- Ryan

> and also
> forgetting that the stamp was a piece that I worked very hard on and
> actually came out pretty good...

Saying this stamp "came out pretty good" is an expression of modesty
on the part of Q--the stamp is beautiful.

> You could try and track down the finder and ask for clarification,
>if it really bothers you, or ask Buzzard for an opinion if you are
>concerned about the veracity of the comment.

Like others, I also don't feel that negative comments should be
posted in a public stamp book for all other letterboxers to see. When
letterboxers have had a problem with my clues or posts, they write me
privately (and they do). Maybe the finder was just having a bad day
(though how you can have a bad day letterboxing is beyond me; I
letterbox as a relief from bad days).

I've found most of Q's letterboxes, and I'm quite jealous of her
ability to carve such beautiful stamps. I am therefore very willing
to spend hours in the pursuit of one of her boxes: I didn't need to
spend hours finding this particular letterbox.
--Buzzard

*blushing* Thanks, Buzzard! And right back atcha! :) -Q

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "trentlaudes"
wrote:
> > and also
> > forgetting that the stamp was a piece that I worked very hard on
and
> > actually came out pretty good...
>
> Saying this stamp "came out pretty good" is an expression of
modesty
> on the part of Q--the stamp is beautiful.
>
> > You could try and track down the finder and ask for
clarification,
> >if it really bothers you, or ask Buzzard for an opinion if you are
> >concerned about the veracity of the comment.
>
> Like others, I also don't feel that negative comments should be
> posted in a public stamp book for all other letterboxers to see.
When
> letterboxers have had a problem with my clues or posts, they write
me
> privately (and they do). Maybe the finder was just having a bad
day
> (though how you can have a bad day letterboxing is beyond me; I
> letterbox as a relief from bad days).
>
> I've found most of Q's letterboxes, and I'm quite jealous of her
> ability to carve such beautiful stamps. I am therefore very
willing
> to spend hours in the pursuit of one of her boxes: I didn't need to
> spend hours finding this particular letterbox.
> --Buzzard

And then there are the clues that are a super pain to figure and find everything *cough* murder at gabriel park *cough* but the super hard ones are all the more rewarding when you find 'em *grin*
Vicky

rscarpen wrote:
> Of course, a perverse thought emerged in my mind...DELIBERATELY bad
> directions!

That's old news.... =) I happen to know of a couple of boxes where
EVERY direction is deliberately wrong. Awful clues. Simply
awful. ;o)

-- Ryan


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